i think obama will be speaking at some point today. and so that's definitely what traders have been focused on. but still while we are holding these bid levels, really kind of chop type trade and not a lot of energy, not a lot of yiks for the most part. >> what about the slew of special difference sends we've be dividends we've been seeing? >> i think that's been encouraging for the most part. but one thing i just heard about the dividends from microsoft and oracle, but i heard pc sales for microsoft were off like 20 some% year to year. so while they came out with the windows 8 launch into the holidays, really it's kind of backfired for the most part and there hasn't been a lot of major response to that relative to some of the other apple type releases that we've seen. and again it's just faltering if you will. but i think the positive energy if you will certainly contributed as well as the economic data this terms of contributing to the up side activity. but it's a bit of a grind to the up side. again, not these -- other than wednesda